10: Life at Pixar & The American Dream (w/ Frank Tai)

In this episode we talk to Frank Tai, Technical Director and Supervisor at Pixar, about his work on some of the most iconic animated films of all time, the power of dedication, staying inspired, support systems, friendship, achieving your dreams, and what it takes to keep a 15 year career at Pixar.

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Well, Frank Tighe, thank you so much for coming on. Like I told you, I have been looking forward to this interview since before I started the podcast. Actually, I lied to you before. It’s not.

Since I started the podcast. Before we started this podcast, I absolutely knew that I wanted to have you on. You were first on my list.

We have, like, a huge list of people that we wanted to get to and. And have on, and I wanted to show you something really quick. So we’re video chatting here.

Do you remember this card? I’m holding up a postcard, a holiday card that Frank sent me from 2009. And it’s a. It’s Pixar themed.

It says toy to the world. So this is 2009. So I imagine you guys were working on a Toy story film at that time.

I think so, yeah. I think we are just about to wrap up 2009. Yeah.

This is my first one. First film. Oh, my gosh.

What a. What a film to start with. You said, hi, Josh.

I wish you have a wonderful new year and wish you luck to Japan. Siggraph. Merry Christmas.

Happy new year, Frank. Ty December 13, 2009. I wanted to start this because I’ve held on to this.

This has been inspiration for me through many years, and getting this from you was unbelievably special. I know maybe it wasn’t a huge deal writing it, and you have no idea how meaningful getting this card was, and that I still cherish this. And so I just wanted to start and let you know that.

And thank you again for this continual inspiration. Thank you, Josh. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, thank you. So, Frank, you work at Pixar.

You’ve worked there for 15 years now, is that correct? 2008? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. 15 years.

Yes. It’s been a while. It’s unbelievable.

And I know, you know from our school, because we. We went to the same school. You were the model, the example for students of, here’s what you can achieve.

And I don’t know how many people you’ve inspired to go after their dreams and achieve their dreams, but I’m not sure of the. The caliber which, you know, that. But you’re.

You’re a big inspiration around that town. Wow. Does you agree? Yeah, I didn’t want to say, but, yeah, it’s very nice to hear that.

Thank you. Yeah. Well, I’m sure all those people.

People would thank you for. For, you know, doing what you do and doing what you did. I know that it wasn’t an easy journey to land the job at Pixar, so I kind of wanted to start there.

First off, why Pixar? What, what drew you to Pixar and how did you start to figure out how you were going to make that happen? Well, that’s a good question. I think I, I like any of you, right? I think Pixar definitely, it was our goal. We kind of just like, oh, if we get, we can work at Pixar, it’d be great.

If not, no, we can find other job. And then, you know, so many interesting animation studio around the world. And I think, I think I tried to apply Pixar twice and once after undergraduate, I thought, I have enough portfolio.

I don’t have the list. But I remember at the time, I think back in 2006, we still need to make the hot copy of a dvd disc that you put, you put all your portfolio on that dvd disc. Then I remember I made, I probably set it out like 20 or 25, maybe even 30.

I remember I just put my resume dvd, I sent it out 30 different studios right after under, I think maybe before undergraduate. Then I didn’t hear anything. I think I only hear maybe here from reader like you.

And they know, they thought about it, thought about contacting me, but nothing really happened. Then that’s okay. I think.

No, I just, I tried it then at the time, I had my little project going on in my undergraduate that I decided to apply for grad school, spend another year and a half just like really focus on finishing my little project, which is like a little 3d animation short. I took the time to really learn the pipeline and then figure out, you know, what is really behind the scene. Watching a lot of, you know, at the time, 2006 is like, there’s a really limit of information.

And then I really, like, buy, like, I watch any dvd as that behind the scene. This I watch as many as I can and talk to different friends at IupuI. And I found the lab we had was great.

You know, we stayed, there’s so many nights we stayed there. Went out to get in the kudo bar, right? Kudoba and a lot of coke, you know, and I was just staying alive, kind of inspired from each other, you know, just stay in the lab. We’re just looking at what people’s working on and anyway, I spent another year and a half just staying in iupi, just concentrating, making my short and then continue to learning from other students.

And also I did a lot of research on my own and a lot of tutorial, a lot, I think at a time, a lot of, like, I think IPO has some, like, digital tutor at the time you can follow the dvd and watch tutorial. And then there’s a website called CGTalk. At the time asked a lot.

It’s funny, like, I went to the cg talk ask question and then one person, I think he. He’s from Germany. And then he responded my question and he was so friendly.

And respond my question. Then 2006 or so. And then we went to Seagrab 2006.

I think that one in San Diego. I was staying in the youth hotel. And he’s like, in the same dorm room.

He’s like, we kind of share the same youth hotel. And then he. We was just like, and then we will talk about see you talk and we talk about the question.

I was like, hey, wait, is that. Are you afraid? Are you. Hang so, yeah, he’s like, what? What the hell? It was like, small world.

Yeah, yeah. So even Germany. And then the year later, we both actually got hired in Pixar.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s crazy.

Very crazy. And then when we first day at Pixar. Wait, hang so that you.

Yeah, then we met again a year and a half later. Yeah. And then that was.

That was very interesting. Yeah. And then, yeah, after grad school, when I finished my little short, I apply again.

And at the time, I. I think I also very lucky, I think a lot of time, you know? Yeah, definitely. You need you. You need to be good, like in your portfolio.

But at the same time, I feel like you also need tremendous amount of luck. I think at the time 2008, even though the economy at that year is not very good. Right.

I don’t remember like this kind of like, like stock crash at the time 2008, everything kind of going downward. But it’s interesting the 2008 Pixar actually hiring a lot of newer people because they, Pixel at the time had a plan to expand company. So I think before 2008, then Pixel only had maybe less than 1000 people.

And then they had a plan to expand to like 13 1300 people. So I was really lucky. I was kind of in that transition phase.

And then they hire a lot of like an intern, resident, new hire in during 2008, 2009 and 2010. So, yeah, I’m really extremely lucky during the time. Yeah.

So I was one of. One of the lucky ones. Yeah.

And then I hire as a resident, I stay there for a year and then practice my skill. Then after one year had another interview and they hired me full time. Then I start at State Pixar.

Unbelievable. I can’t imagine the feeling of, you know, after that interview and then being accepted. But I want to make two points.

Number one, you keep. You kept referring to your. Your short animation that you were working on in school that essentially landed you to the job because it was such a good portfolio piece.

You. You’re referring to it as your little short animation. That was an absolute undertaking.

I remember that that was used as an example of, like, here’s the level at which you need to work. You work as hard as frank, and this is the model, because you had done so much to making this unbelievable animation. In fact, I can see it now.

I can see the feather. Remember you had the feather falling. It was.

It was a funny and well done animation, and you did everything for it. I mean, the thing is, you had mentioned you immersed yourself in tutorials, getting on forums, which is cg talk, and using resources that were at your disposal. That’s enormous.

You just. You immersed yourself in the world and you didn’t stop. And that’s.

There’s something to that. And number two, I wanted to say that I also believe in that timing is very important and luck comes in and plays, but your preparation. Luck is essentially when preparation meets opportunity.

And you were 100% prepared and you were going after those opportunities and the timing was right, and so certainly was luck, I guess, and timing. But your, your hard work paid off in the end. You know, you were.

They saw that. I mean, you have one of the bigger companies in the world who, I can’t imagine how many people apply there. They saw the potential in you because they saw through how hard you worked and what level of work you did.

And so there’s. There’s something absolutely to that I wanted to know. Uh, what was it like, just really quick? When.

What did you do after you got offered the full time job? When you first got hired on at Pixar, what did you do? Did you go out and celebrate? Oh, you mean like after my residency or when I get my residency? Both. So when you got your residency, how did that feel? And then how did it feel getting hired on time after that? It’s funny, like, oh, just to be honest, at the time, I always kick a pack of cigarette in my car. I don’t.

I quit smoking when I was 19 or 20, but after I quit my quick smoking, I still keep a pack of cigarettes just in case for special occasion. So, yeah, when I got a phone call, I remember, you know, I got pack of cigarette. I just, like, went across street from the id building at the time.

There’s no parking. I don’t know. I don’t know if you remember at the time there’s just a parking lot with, like, a few bushes and trees and the IuP IPI is, like, smoking free campers.

Yeah, I just, I just, like, took, like, two cigarette in the pub and, and, yeah, that, that’s my reaction. When I. And I went back to lab, I continued to finish my short. Yeah, the time that my show is not finished, I think I was kind of in the lighting and rendering phase.

I was like, all right. But I mean, it’s good feeling, right? It’s like, all right. And I know after I graduate, at least I got, I got a place to go.

So now I feel like, you know, there was so many night before. I know. I land this residency.

There’s so many nights. I worked till, like, one in 01:00 a.m.

in the morning. I drove home, took a shower, and I just laid down until two or three in the morning, like, watching tv. It’s like, what am I doing? I didn’t know what I’m gonna do.

Like, I kept doing my short. I don’t know where I’m going, but at least I have fun doing my short. Every night is kind of like, repeat.

No, like, they, like, lu ting, right? You woke up, you brush your tea, you get ready for school. Then you went to lab. They stayed till, like, 12:00 a.

m. and they come back and they take a shower. And every day kind of routine, you just do it all.

Yeah. And then I remember there’s so many, like, you know when you have to shower, just sit there, watch tv, like, I don’t know where I’m going. And then until you get a phone call from Pixar.

Oh, when we like you to come to do residency, I said, oh, yeah, actually, now I, you know where I’m going. It feels pretty good. Then.

Yeah, then just went back to the lab, finished my little short. Eventually, I finished, but it’s not, I mean, it’s not like the way I want it, but still, I finished the job, and then. Yeah.

And then when I got my full time kid and I didn’t do anything special, I just, I went to Costco to get, like, two dogs. Like, two hot dog and coke. Yeah, that was it.

And, and at the time, my wife still, my girlfriend at the time, like, she still, she was still in Taiwan, so I was here by myself. I told her, yeah, I got a full time job, and I gotta go Costco to eat my hot dog. What a good plug for Costco.

If that’s how people celebrate getting into Pixar, I don’t know what better plug for Costco, that is. Yeah, but I mean, hey, you know, you celebrate the way you are, so. Cigarettes and hot dogs.

Yeah, yeah, so. Exactly. Yeah.

So during this time, your wife or your girlfriend at the time was in Taiwan and that’s where you’re from. Yeah. What brought you to Indiana at the, you know, at the time? Oh, yeah, by my, I stay with, I live with my uncle, my aunts, and they, they both are the IU medical school faculty.

My uncle, he’s a professor in the med school and then I stay with them. So I’m, I’m lucky I had a place to stay and. Yeah, yeah, I think, I think that that’s like, I really, I feel like there’s so many luck kind of build up, you know, it’s like I didn’t, I didn’t need to worry about where I leave.

I didn’t worry about food. I didn’t need to worry about finding a job. You know, a lot of my friends at the time, they had to work part time or full time, and doing this project is crazy.

So I didn’t need to worry about that at all. I just stayed with my uncle. Everything besides school, everything else is kind of took care of.

So. Yeah, so that’s really, I feel like I re fortunate. Absolutely.

Yeah, clearly. But it also is clear that you didn’t waste that opportunity. You worked extremely hard, day in and day out, waking up, going to the lab, going to school, working till late in the night and doing it all over again.

So you, you took advantage of the opportunity that was in front of you. I was wondering, did you come to Iupy, the college on a student visa? And then when you got hired at Pixar, did you get it? You know, when, where did your citizenship come into play? Oh, you knew. You knew that.

You know that, huh? That’s very complicated. Yes, yes. I’ve been through it with my wife.

So, yeah, yeah, it’s very complicated. Yeah, we, I start student visa, and then what you get after school, you can apply for this thing called option. Like, Opt is like you, after you graduate from school, you have one year of Opt, you provide a job, then you can apply for working visa.

But if you don’t find a job, the opt will expire one year. Then you have to, you have to leave us. So then I found a job and Pixar applied working visa for me.

And then a few years later, they do the green car. And then now I have my us citizenship. Yeah, it took like, there’s like so many different stats.

Yeah. Yeah. What year did you get your citizenship then? Oh, maybe five years ago.

Yeah. Five years ago. Yeah.

Congratulations. I’m one of you, though. Yeah, absolutely.

You were one of us before, but now. Now it’s just official. But I think how treacherous that process is, because we went through it with my wife and where’s the wife from? Turkey.

Well, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, even, you know, after marriage, and.

And it’s just an unbelievable amount of paperwork and time and money, and it’s. It’s a lot of work. You know, you also have that dynamic at play.

You’re not even in your home country accomplishing all this stuff, so it’s. It’s extra inspirational in that way. And so, you know, just kudos to you for trucking along and maintaining this.

This vision. I mean, it’s clear that you, you know, you’re. You’re kind of an embodiment of the american dream.

Has anybody ever told you that? To be honest, no. I kept saying this to dad, and then, no, I really appreciate. I had friends like you.

Zap. And at the time, Jared Jingwoo. And then the professor there.

No, no. Everyone very supportive, especially the friend. The friend I had at iupi, Leon, you know, Leon was funny one.

And then all those people kind of like, no, they don’t see me as a no cobra lately. Yeah. You know, you guys just treat me like, no, no more friends, students.

You know, it’s just like, it felt very comfortable at the time, so. And, yeah, it just really appreciated. Yeah, that’s enormous.

Having that support system and feeling like you belong. Yeah. We think we all have this common, common goal at a time.

Seagrass was one. You know, I think I feel like that’s something really, like, get us together. I just always, you know, I always, like, recommend people in school.

Student school. No. You know, especially when you in this tough industry, like animation or film, you know, you gotta hear so many noise when you in school.

People tell you, oh, it’s gotta be tough to find a job. It’s gonna be tricky. It’s like, it’s not easy for a job.

You know, you gotta. You will hear so many noise. So the.

The way to keep you going to hang out with friends has a common goal. Like, you know, the people, you know, friends are talking about the same interest, you know, sharing, you know, just sharing informations. And then I feel I found.

I found very important element have made going at the time. Yeah, I didn’t. I didn’t really know spend much time outside to hang out with other people.

It doesn’t have the same interest at the time because I was. I was very focused. Yeah, clearly.

And that’s enormous. You know, you. You.

You’re around people who lift you up, and you lift each other up because, you know, you were. You were doing the same thing to everybody that you mentioned. Zeb, Leon, myself.

And somehow we were able to lift you up and motivate each other. That’s. That’s enormous.

It’s the beauty of the college setting. You know, in university, you know, sometimes education gets a bad rap these days. Oh, gosh, you go and you.

You use so much money and, you know, and you got to take classes that might not relate to what you want to do, but it’s kind of what you put into it, like what you did. You know, it’s the people that you surround yourself with that you might not otherwise have been surrounded with had you not gone and. And taking advantage of the resources, like the lab and the, you know, all of these different things that add up to that full experience and getting you where you needed to go.

And so it’s really, really cool hearing that, and I’m sure Zed will be very happy to listen back on this. You know, that he was our fourth guest on this show. I listened.

I listened to that episode. Yeah. Oh, cool.

Look at that. Frank. Ty, listen to my show.

How cool. You’ve done a great job. Yeah.

Oh, thanks. This is a labor of love. It’s a.

It’s a passion of mine. And so it’s just, uh, it’s. It’s a.

It’s really such a pleasure talking to people in this way and. And kind of peeling back the curtain on who they are, how they got there, you know, the struggles. And this is something that I kind of want to talk to you about because, uh.

And I’ll just get into it, um, because obviously, you know, so this is, like, kind of a two part question, and I think a lot of people will be interested to hear, uh, this. And then we can kind of get into, like, some of the films and what it’s like. I kind of curious, before we talk about all of the great things that is probably entails working at Pixar, I’m sure it’s absolutely fascinating.

I’m sure it’s inspiring and motivating being around some of the most talented people in the world in that industry. But I’m curious because there’s probably the other side of the coin where I bet there’s. It’s a lot of hard work to make the films that you guys are making at that caliber.

Toy story doesn’t just happen like that, you know, there’s an unbelievable amount of work. So I’m kind of curious, what are some of the most difficult parts of working at Pixar? And then I want to, you know, after talking about that, I want to get a peek at what is awesome. What is it like to work at Pixar? Yeah, well, I feel like there’s two parts.

What’s difficult? What’s awesome about it? I. Yeah, I know that you. That. That’s your question, right? What’s.

Yeah, well, I think difficult parts. Yeah. Definitely depends on what’s your job and what’s your role.

I think each different role has different difficulty. My job right now is supervising a sets department. And then at my job, the most difficult part is I. This is my new gig.

I just got this gig, like, starting of this year. It’s very new to me. I’m still learning how to be a supervisor is not, it’s not being an easy journey for me.

It is very different job. I see. I see is you got a day long, you got project, you can, you know, you got a goal, you can just finish.

And then supervising is very much like people manage, is you have to kind of manage people and kind of like, you talk a lot. You talk to people a lot and really kind of. You have to listen, listen to people’s feelings and, and I kind of really gauge the room temperature and a lot of negotiation.

Yeah. It is pasting a challenge, very challenged journey for me. But, you know, I went through the interview again, internal interview.

They. Yeah, maybe they saw some potential in me, and then they picked me as their soup for this new film we are working on. Are you able to say what it is? Oh, no, I can’t.

But it’s like, it’s still a while. 2026. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. We’re already starting.

Yeah. We have been almost a year. We have another almost two years to go.

Yeah. So, yeah, so I hope I survive. I think my department head told me, you know, she doesn’t expect me to do a great job.

She only hope I survive for my first time being a supervisor. So in Pixar, it’s very interesting. Right? Every show, all the, all the leadership world being like, you have to, you select your, your own, like, supervisor leads, technical supervisor, every, all the position will shovel again.

When you, when you, you know, when you start a new show, you hire, you know, you got new producer, new director, and the producer, director. They will choose their super tight soup tag. And then you’ll go interview the supervisor.

They interview tech, technical leads. So. So I think it’s good.

Maybe when I done with this supervising job, I’m so exhausted. I want to take a break. Then I will go back to my, I’ll go back to my I see individual contributor role.

Just like do like, focus on doing my project. Don’t worry about people. Let me see.

So, I mean, now I’m in this role, I found, like, being individual contributors very easy, but when I was individual contributor, that there were days know that there’s so many technical things that we, I didn’t know how to tackle then, but luckily we have so many talented people. People are willing to share information. Right.

And to be honest, like, a lot of time, technical problem may not be the most challenging one. I think a lot of times the most challenging one is really to know people’s vision. Like something visual, something kind of imprint in your production designer’s mind sometimes just really hard to understand.

And it takes time to, to navigate, you know, that, that part. Something can be very challenge. You know, it has to really get to know what’s their taste and do a lot of trial and error and then eventually kind of like, shaping the way he or she’s looking at.

Looking for. And then, yeah, sometimes can be very frustrating, but, you know, at the same time, interesting and also rewarding. If we found something, you know, looks great and then.

Right, yeah, but, yeah, every day feel a little different. And my job right now is like, my job right now, every day is kind of like, this meeting can go great. The next meeting, you can drop a bomb at you and then, and then.

So, so it’s like, a lot of, a lot of times, being a managerial supervisor, you can actually accepting this is kind of normal. And then you kind of feel like you failing every day. You feel like you fail every day, but, you know, but slow.

You’ll see every day, you know, you feel like you’re moving forward a little bit. I think I’m starting right at end of day, I’m writing down notes, like, what did I do today? Help my team to move forward. Something even, like, something.

Some, something so simple, you kind of just write it down. Help me to. Okay.

Even though maybe something didn’t go as I expected, but, but at least I moved something forward. Yeah, well, it’s, it’s, I mean, I can’t imagine how much failure is involved, but it’s like you’re failing up because, you know, Pixar you know, everybody’s familiar with so many of the films. They’re very particular on, like, the style, what that looks like, and so getting it, actually birthing that style, there’s so many opportunities to miss what’s in the mind of the, you know, the director and the
people really who have the vision of it.

And then all of you who are individual contributors kind of trying to hit that target, and you get a lot of misses. And then one day it goes, ah, that’s the style. Yeah.

You know, I can’t even imagine. But then when you hit it, it’s like, oh, my gosh, look at what we’ve created. And then I’m sure the director and, you know, the supervisors and such are like, there it is.

And you feel pretty good about it after. Hurts. Yeah.

Every day it’s like, yeah, you try like ten times, maybe got you lucky. Got like three times. Right? Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Well, it’s.

I mean, they take their time. Like, you’re saying you’re working on a film right now. We’re in.

We’re still in 2023, and you’re working on a film that comes out in 2026. We finish in 25. Yeah.

So, okay. Yeah, but they release in 26. Yeah.

Right. Is it. I’m just curious, do you love it? Is it gonna be.

Do you like it more than some of the other films? Is it gonna be good? Well, I think. I think there’s two parts, right? I think that the first part is like, yes, I think it’s gonna be a good film. It’s gonna be a very funny and great feel.

Has a lot of heart to it. The second part is like. It’s like making my short in school, even though I’m not a storyteller, I’m making feeling.

There’s so many different disciplines. I’m more like a cg background, environment creator. I’m not good at character.

I’m not good at storytelling. I’m not good at lighting. But anyway, I think the only way kept me going at the time to create my show is like, have to love it.

Well, I think the one thing doing this, you know, making cg. CG movies is a marathon. It’s a really.

Definitely a marathon. It’s not like a, you know, one film, take about three years, at least three or four years to make. Wow.

It’s not like, it’s not like making a commercial, making a few months. It’s a making feel, the marathon. So I learned.

I learned that when I do my short, it took me two years. I kind of went through the whole process, and then I slowly learned I don’t enjoy the outcome, even though I had a presentation, a capstone presentation, you know, you presented for like a half hour. You know, people tap at you.

Yeah. But, you know, it’s just like end result in only like 30 minutes, 1 hour for me, it means really nothing. I mean, it means a lot.

So you mean a lot in that kind of end result. But what I’m saying is, like, I enjoy the most is the process. Right.

The process, to me, is the most important. I think, like, what we are doing here now in Pixar, I had to enjoy the process. I don’t really care about what the final product looks like.

I do enjoy every daY, you know, the process we make in it. I think I enjoy more of making it. That’s why I mentioned ju y in school.

I do watch a lot of dvd. Any, any way I can find. Watch a lot of making of dvd.

I think I really enjoy watching those kind of DVD. How, how people make stuff, you know? Yeah. That, to me, that’s very interesting how you make it and how pretty it is, how gorgeous in the end, to me, kind of.

Yeah, that’s, that’s GReat. But I. I’m more curious ABOut how you make it then. Yeah.

And the hand result. Yeah, I think part of it is kind of kidney going just like every day. It’s LIKE, oh, what? Can we do it better? He said it’s always a different way to do it.

And then how did you do it? How they do it. It’s like you just keep thinking about all this kind of thing. Yeah, absolutely.

Also, that’s where all the time is spent, is the process. Also, you’re, you know, you’re building stuff with the team and all those experiences failing and then succeeding and then failing again and succeeding. So that’s like, that journey is enormously powerful.

Obviously, you’re working towards that end goal, which is the film, but there’s so much on the way, especially when you’re talking about three year timelines. That’s incredible. I mean, that’s a lot of days in three years.

But what about the positive, you know, what, what’s a normal day? So you, you wake up and you go to Pixar. What’s it like? Are you in, well, now, I imagine being in your position now because you were a technical director before, is that correct? Yeah, I see. Individual contributor.

Yes. Yes. So maybe it’s different then, but what’s your day to day now? What is it? What does it look like throughout the day.

My job now is very different from IC. You don’t have many, you don’t have as many meetings you have checking with your leads. So you may have to go to director review, go to like meet with the production designer one or twice a week.

And yeah, I think most of we would try as a lead and as a supervisor, we try to keep IC last meeting, right. As last meeting as possible so they have enough best time, right. Focused on their work.

Yeah, I think, I think you being creative, you, you are creative person. I think, you know, gain to the zone sometimes takes time 100%. And then we don’t, we don’t want to make people like scatter into meetings, you know, that’s very destructive being at this creative process.

You know, they usually take that 1 hour. You may, then they will be in the zone for like two or 3 hours. You rather them stay in the zone instead of putting a meeting like, oh, shit, they have to break it out.

And then, you know, it’s just like, you know, for ics, this is more like that. And then for now, my roles. Yeah, this is a lot of meeting.

Like before I meet you, before I came home, I had producer meeting with my producer, talk about progress. And this morning we have director review, then have the meeting with different department, lighting, with layout and to plan for next week and then playing with like next year. And then we have like technical meeting, talk about technical things.

We are meeting over arts and then we have production meeting. Talk about schedule and meeting, talk about like in a meeting with human resource, talk about who we want to cast. And, you know, looking at the schedule, if we do, we have enough project for like how many people we need.

And sometimes other people know, you know, and we try to check in my teammates, try to check in with them once a month, you know, we have 30 people on our team. Or try to check in with them, make sure no, because my job now is, I really like, make sure they feel, you know, also like, you know, sometimes you have to care about their personal life now you kind of expand your perspective, like looking at. No, you know, like people have different lifestyle, different, you know, family issues and
making sure they can produce great work at the same time, understand why they are slow.

Something’s bother, bother them. My role now is like doing a lot of that. Yeah, it’s a different realm.

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How many different people are involved in all these different moving parts? Yeah. Making sure that you guys don’t fall behind. Managing that team and managing the work on it, that’s an incredible undertaking.

I tried to work out, though. I try to work out, but still not. Not very consistent.

Yeah, I try to, like, you know, find time to exercise. That’s good. You guys have a gym? Do you have Pixar? I haven’t been to Pixar.

I toured dreamworks and I went to EA sports. Okay. But, yeah, next time I’m out, I’m definitely.

Let me go. Yeah, yeah. We do have a gym, and then we have, like, walking path around the campers.

I know. And I try to walk and try to go to g. Yeah, that’s cool.

Hit myself like, men. Men. I don’t exercise to make my jack, like.

No, like, puff in the butt more. I don’t even, like, care about sweating. I just like more.

Mostly for my mental health. Absolutely. This is like, you know, walking on treadmill for 20 minutes or run or 20 minutes walking along.

It’s help your mental. I think everything, everything I care the most is my mental health. Because with everything going on in the war, everything going on outside.

Outside Bixar, so many things going on is not easy for a lot of people. I think mental health these days is very important. Yeah, 100%.

Um, it’s great to hear that, you know, Pixar values that and, you know, allows you a space, like, physically, to have a walking path, a gym. Do you guys have, like, a cafeteria? What are some other cool aspects of the, you know, you get food all day? No. No.

Yeah, I think Steve Job was our CEO before he went back to Apple. I think apple and Pixel have the same culture. Steve Jobs never believe free food.

So we still purchase our lunch, but we got, like, cereal bar and free coffee, free drinks, all that kind of stuff. Sure, sure. Your main meals.

Yeah, main meal. You still pay for it. I think there’s always.

There’s a consequences. Like Google. Google waste.

A lot of food is like, I see so much food, you waste it. And then. And also, like, you know, we do have chef.

You know, we call. We call the kitchen stuff chef. Like, oh, they are like.

They have a real chef. Oh, sure, they produce nice meal, like, every day and high quality meal, but it’s not, it’s not enough. It’s not like, you know, I mean, I mean, still cheaper than what you can buy outside.

Yeah, sure. That’s cool. Well, hey, before I ask too many questions, I told you I have a little surprise.

I’m going to make a quick call here. I got you here on the line, Zeb. I just wanted to give you the opportunity, Zeb, because we’re all close here, and now we can all share in the experience of being on the naming creative show.

But I wanted to give you an opportunity to ask Frank a question here. And so I’ll let you ask, let you say what you want to. Frank.

We’ve had a great conversation so far. Mister Frank, my question for you is, at this stage of your career and your experience, what inspires you from other, other craftsmen or craftswoman or just creative traits, how do you find parallels in their process that coaches yours? That’s a great question. So, Zeb, I’m gonna hang up, and you’re gonna have to listen to the episode to hear his answer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think my job right now is a lot of time feel so complicated. I like, like I told you, I got this new role.

I’m still navigating. And then every day can be a lot of up and down what keep me motivated, inspired. I just want to keep, I just want to keep it really super simple.

What I’m doing. It is a job. It is a job.

And I have a family. I have a wife, I have a daughter. And then I feel like they are pretty much my inspiration at the time.

At this moment, when I have an all day, when I have difficult time, when I have a really difficult meeting ahead of me, I would like looking at picture of them, just remind myself, end of day, I’m doing just a job. It’s a job. Like, I’m lucky doing a job.

I have interest in. You know, not many people doing the job. They are interesting, but I do.

So I’m super lucky. That’s beautiful. Zeb would resonate very highly with that.

I think that’s probably similar to actually what Zeb’s inspiration is as well. And, and mine as well. I have a daughter now.

I have a wife. Oh. My daughter sleeping in the other room.

And, you know, so we all share in that. And so that’s, that’s absolutely beautiful. I feel that every day that that’s my motivation as well.

So that’s really cool. You know, because you, you watch films, and I’m sure working at Pixar, you’re a hundred percent inspired by the people who you sit next to and that you’re around just all that talent under, under the roof. I mean.

Yeah, yeah. Every day. Every day what people create.

Like in this morning review, he’s like, oh, wow, they are making great stuff. This is so inspiring. Yeah.

But, you know, but again, it’s like, it’s a job. Yeah, I mean, it’s really, I really enjoy my job, and like I say, it’s like I’m really lucky, but I don’t know how many times I say that I’m lucky. I’m doing a job I had tremendous amount of interest in.

And then, but end of the day, I, you know, I just want to go home and then look at my kids and then play with her and then hang out with my wife. Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah.

I think at the end of the day, that’s what a lot of people want, you know, and it’s. But it is beautiful that you’re able to do what you want to do during the day. I feel very grateful that I’ve been able to carve out a path.

And, I mean, technically, I’m at work right now, and this is pretty cool. Yeah, we designed it that way. So before that we were.

I wanted to kind of dive in quickly to technology side. You guys are, you guys are developing your own technology. I’m wondering, you know, it’s a hot topic right now.

Are you guys utilizing AI in any way? And if you are, how are you integrating AI into the pipeline? Well, I think I’m not super technical, so I can’t really explain what’s behind the scene about AI because that’s very, very technical computer algorithm and the two is you as a 3d artist and me. AI has been out there for many, many years. So we use it already.

Is not something new to us. No. A lot of stuff we use in computer graph is already AI and then.

Right. But I do know now this whole new chat, GBT manipulation of human face and the Voice. That sounds really scary.

Yeah. However, this is something, you know, when the news newspaper show up years, many, many years ago was scary to people and when the, you know, when the Internet started, it was very scary to people. I think that the AI, you know, just something happened in our generation and then.

But I think we have to be really smart about it. It just like I do worry about a lot of fake news, a lot of news, you know, people especially either younger, older generation, they accepting like news or, or information without any second thoughts. I think, right.

I think, I think, I think for younger generation, especially like now you have daughter, I think, you know, AI is coming, you know, this, all this new tech technology coming and we really need to like educate them, you know, how we use them correctly. But sorry, back to your question about how we use AI for Pixar. We, I mean there’s a lot of talk about it and then, but at the same time we all know we already using it.

So I heard a lot of people talking about how, use, how to use AI to generate like story and script and that part, I mean, I think that’s a pro and con, you know, I mean most of people, they don’t like it, but the Kong side is they can generate idea or outline very quickly, but you still need a human to refine it, you know. But at the same time, I just feel like, you know, I don’t feel like I am technical or the right person to talk about it because it is a hot topic. I know.

And a lot of people anxious about it and then I just don’t have a really good answer. And then only thing I can tell you is a lot of rendering, a lot of computer, you know, CG creation tool has already used this algorithm and then AI in it this week. We don’t know.

Yeah, this we don’t. Right? Yeah, no, that’s a good, that’s a great answer because it has, it’s been, a lot of people think like AI just hit us and it’s been around for a long time, actually. It’s just hasn’t hit us in this way to be so available to people.

But, you know, like content aware fills and, and predictive, you know, rendering or whatever it may be. But now I think it’s probably being taken to the next level and I would imagine that Pixar is trying to explore those opportunities. But like I said, at the end of the day, the people who are approving the stories and have the vision for the story because at Pixar, story is king.

That’s everything that determines everything. I read the Pixar touch a long time ago and I did deep dives on Pixar because I, I at one point thought I was going to work there as well. Yeah, not as talented as you, Frank.

You just didn’t have, you didn’t have enough lock like me. I did. That’s nice of you to say, but I’m glad, you know, I’m making my own little Pixar over here, so.

And I can still have friends like you. Oh, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally, totally.

Yeah, yeah. You got. Maybe you got more luck than I did.

I kind of. Well, you’ve been there 15 years, right? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I’ve been there.

Now you talk about it. I do feel like, you know, a lot of times now I thinking back, it might not be a good thing you get into Pixar as a first job, to be honest. Yeah, Pixar.

So it’s a big company. You kind of like once you get into Pixar. I mean, I only in the environment department for 15 years.

I know, in our environment, but I don’t know anything else. But for people in a smaller studio, I found them luckier. They learn a lot more things than I do.

They had to learn different discipline. They have to maybe talk to clients, talk about how to negotiate a lot earlier than I do. So I may be unlucky on that in that part, because pics are being really taking care of me as an IC, making sure I know the Pixel pipeline and workflow.

If you ask me. Can I find a different job now in a different studio? I’m not sure. Could be a challenge task, so.

Yeah, but now you mentioned that. Yeah. Yeah.

I think you are right. I think, I think. I think.

I think, you know, you are lucky, Josh. Now you got. You got your own little, like, studio at home, you know, you got your freedom to do things you love, you know, then.

Yeah, I think that’s a really good point. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I mean, there’s always two sides of the coin to it because, you know, some days I’m like, man, it would be really neat to work at a Pixar or a dreamworks whatever it is, and at the same time, then, you know, it’s back and forth, you know, but you just can’t have everything, and that’s. That’s okay. But it’s.

It’s really interesting. You say that. It’s an enlightening point, but, you know, at the end of the day, how many people can say, you know? I mean, actually, I was wondering if you could walk us through what films have you worked on at Pixar? Toy story three after break, monster University, inside out, and then good dinosaur.

What’s available dinosaur cost? Three. Three. And then.

So turning movie. So. Yeah.

And. Oh, my gosh. Turning red.

Yeah. I think I feel like missing one or two. Yeah.

Up. Didn’t you work on up? Oh, up is before toy story three. Yeah.

I didn’t know. Yeah, you didn’t work on up. Yeah.

Oh, okay. That’s before. Before Toy Story three.

Yeah. Gotcha. Okay.

So started with Toy Story three. That’s pretty cool that you. You touch toy story.

I mean. Oh, everybody four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you’ve worked on half of the Toy story. That’s pretty cool. Yeah, yeah.

That’s funny. Like, toy story four. I was.

I was. The first time I was Lee on that field, then I forget about it. I think that maybe something.

Something I tried to forget. It’s all a blur. It happens so fast.

I can’t imagine. I mean, it’s probably hard to keep track of just all that you’ve done, but soul, my goodness, what a film that is. That is not a children’s movie, you know, I mean, in my opinion, that is an adult film.

Yeah. I think. I think Disney tried to.

I heard they tried to release soul in. No. In big screen, in theater next year.

So people can watch on big screen. Uh huh. I think that that movie is made for big screen because there’s a lot of.

A lot of sound, a lot of nice music, a lot of visual detail in that field. And when you. When you watch that film in your monitor, you just don’t catch that.

You don’t catch those details. Yeah. I think that.

I think this tried to release soul and the turning red. I forgot which would. Oh, Luca Lucas.

Another one they tried to release on big screen because those. Those film we didn’t release. I mean, theater, they went straight to Disney plus.

Yeah. So, yeah, so they never. They never had a chance to put it in theater.

Yeah. If soul goes to the big screen, I hope that is because I would go and watch. It’s incredible.

You should. You should do it. Yeah, definitely.

Well, it’s amazing the amount of stuff that you’ve worked on, you know, I mean, it’s just, you know, people everywhere listening to this know those films, and it’s just incredible that your names at the end of those and so many names at the end of those. But I want to. I want to respect your time.

I know you. You’ve got dinner with the family coming up, but we have this segment. It’s called the rapid fire, and it’s just questions that I like to ask all of the guests, and most of the guests get these same questions and just try to answer them quickly.

Although if you want to expand on them, that’s totally fine. But I like to get the viewpoint of all these different guests that we have on in different industries. Like, we had a makeup artist on we’ve had a director of a museum on.

We had Zeb on. We’ve had a business coach and a lawyer. Right.

And so everybody has a different perspective. And it’s so it’s interesting to get the different feelings and the different perspectives on these questions. You’ve already answered one of them about your biggest source of inspiration.

So Zeb took care of that one. It’s your family, from what I would. I would imagine, which is fantastic.

So I’m gonna. I’m gonna move straight forward with it. Do you have a favorite book? I don’t read that much, to be honest.

I know that there’s a book I really like. I read like three times, but that’s in. That’s like, in Mandarin.

Oh, English, like catcher in the rhyme. Oh, yeah, catcher in the Rye. Right.

Yeah. I read that book three times. I don’t know why I read that.

I really like you asked me. That’s the first book I thinking about. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Besides that, it’s like technical manuals of 3d programs and lighting.

No, it’s all YouTube now. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. Do you have a favorite musical artist or a favorite. I really love Lily Eilish now.

She’s amazing. Billie Eilish. Billie Eilish.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s great stuff.

It’s cool and diverse. Really diverse. Yeah.

I. Maybe because I’m not of a daughter. I don’t know. I listen to Louie Eilish with her all the time.

She’s amazing. Yeah. Oh, cool.

That’s nice. She’s only five. She’s only five, yeah.

Wow. I remember, like when you had said that you were having a kid. That’s been five years.

Wow. Yeah, yeah. Some of my.

Honestly, I’ve been on a big kick of classical and there are some soundtracks of Pixar that I continually go back to. Wally has an amazing soundtrack up. I’ve.

I bought up soundtrack right after I saw that film, I went and immediately bought that soundtrack. I love it. You guys have some unbelievable composers that work on your films.

And actually really quick, a diversion from rapid fire. This is unheard of. But I have to know, are you.

Do you get connected at all to the music side of things? No, we don’t have. No, we don’t. Music department.

Yeah. Okay. So that’s kind of disconnected.

You’re. You’re working without sound. Only sound is at the end.

You’re not really sure. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Well, the sound. We have a scratch music, like editorial, they’re putting down a scratch. Like you know, Temp.

Temp sound, but when the film. When the film’s done, they still ship to the. How can I forget that company on the Lucasfilm? Skywalker.

Skywalker. Yeah, that’s. The company made all the Star wars music and then.

Because now it’s part of Disney, so we. Our music being made by Skywalker. Yeah.

Wow. It’s amazing that all those entities are now connected. I mean, it’s a behemoth.

It’s unbelievable. I was just curious about that because that’s like, such an important part of a film. A lot of people don’t realize, but the sound effects in the score is enormous to like.

Yeah. Our editorial. Editorial department is pretty good.

Yeah. They. Even though they put in down a temp scratch soundtrack.

Tim Foley, like, all the temp stuff, but they. They do good job. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it’s got to be somewhat accurate to what it’s going to be so that you guys get the right feeling. Yep.

Yeah. That makes sense. That’s.

That’s fascinating, though, that there’s a team that does the temporary stuff for that. Unbelievable. All right, this is going to be maybe the hardest one.

What is your favorite film of all time? And what is your favorite Pixar film? Wow. Favorite film. That’s so.

I know it’s a Christmas season. I really like elf. That’s a great movie.

I really like it. Elf. Now he’s like.

Now it’s about Christmas. Yeah. Home alone.

Oh, well, yeah. Pixar movie. I do agree with you.

I like Seoul and then warrior. My favorite. Maybe toy story three.

Maybe that’s because the first one I woke up. That makes sense. Yeah.

But I really hope. Because my kids are five years old, so. Yeah.

She has not watched any movie yet. And so I really hope this the one I’m working on right now at 2026, she will be what, eight years old, will be elementary school. Maybe that could be her.

Her first movie to watch. How cool. How special would that be? Yeah.

Yeah. Dad worked. Yeah, that would be special.

Yeah. You’ll have to get her one of the posters here. I’m going to turn my.

No, but this is only going to be audio. But my. My poster collection over there and walk is certainly included in that.

I love. Yeah. Why is great.

Yeah. So good. Yeah.

I walk in working with the sand dp for warning how in our current movie right now. Yeah. Yeah, he’s great.

Jeremy. Jeremy Lasky. He’s a.

He’s probably one of the best vp in Pixar. Awesome. Well, I have one more for you.

For the rapid fire. And then just a couple. Couple more to wrap this up.

But I want to know, how do you define success? I think the app is very important. I mean, in the day, you know, I just, like. I always admire people can not to worry about, like, something failing, but really looking ahead and no, we.

Today, today, that’s the only thing you need to focus on, and then people can do that. I really am amazed by those people. There’s just so many days ago and night, oh, I’m thinking about things.

Didn’t happen. Didn’t happen. Well, kept me wake up at night.

But some people maybe can handle pretty well. They figure it out. They.

They. They can navigate bad things happening, and they kind of looking for the positive things the next day. I don’t know.

I feel like if I can do that, I feel like it’s not an easy one for me and then think I can do that. So I’m like, in my. That’s in my first philosophy.

Successful. Absolutely. That’s a great one.

And you’re not the first guest to say happiness. In fact, the person who will be editing this episode, our audio director, he’s in a band, which we had on the podcast, and they did a live performance and everything, and he. He said happiness.

Yeah. And I believe some other people, but I agree wholeheartedly. What do you.

What are you doing if you’re not happy? Is that truly successful? If, at the end of the day, how could you enjoy your success? Air quotes. If you’re not happy through. Through the process.

And at the end, what are you doing? Well, I have a couple more questions for you, and I so appreciate your time, and so I know you got to get to dinner with your family, and I could literally talk to you all night, but I got a couple more for you, if you’re cool with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I wanted to know, what are your future goals? What do you.

What is Frank Ty doing in five years? What do you. What does ten years look like? What’s your future? Yeah, I mean, the short term goal is just like, this new job for me, challenge. Try to be really try to navigate it and not try to do a awesome job.

I just try to be, you know, learning, keep learning, and then see what I can get out of this new role, and then how can I help people? And I. When I apply this job, I didn’t want to. I really want to learn the looking at the big picture, how. How moving, how movie got made with different peoples.

So that’s my shorthand goal. Five years, ten years. I think there’s some, like, you know, technical things.

No, like, you know, I always want to be good. Like, learning new tool, new thing. How can I, you know, in, you know, in Pixar, I want to learn more.

Like, Houdini is another thing I really want to learn. And then there was a lot of talk about how great Houdini is and been trying to learn that, and then, yeah, maybe I hope, like, next ten, 510 years, I can transition my workflow a lot in Houdini. Yeah, that’s my kind of my technical, like, long term goal.

Goal, if you ask me, for the. For the leadership side, is like, more. Mostly, I want to continue to learn to be a supervisor and another two years, and then maybe after this movie, I want to take a break and then digest, learn new tech, new tool, new technique, and take a rest for another few years, then apply for another supervising role again.

It’s boring, you know, it’s not. Definitely not boring. Oh, man.

Nothing. Do you ever want to direct a film? No. Is that too much? Yeah, no, that’s deeper.

I, like I say I’m not. I’m not a storyteller. I am more like, you know, it’s very.

I’m very rigid. Yeah. I know myself.

You know, I’m rigid guy. Yeah. So, sure.

Yeah, yeah. So there’s nothing wrong with that. But I will say I think you’re underselling yourself because you.

You had a great story with the short animation that you made back in school that I remember watching vividly. Remember. It was a good story.

It was solid. It was engaging, you know, essentially that it was about the chickens and the one had to, like, avoid getting eaten, you know, or. Yeah, it’s.

I can see it in my mind. It’s crazy. Well, it’s funny.

Like, you know, if student asked me what should I do to get my. Get it. Do my portfolio, I wouldn’t recommend to do a short.

I will recommend just like, maybe only do 30 seconds of something you really enjoy and make that 32nd grade. Right, right. Like, spend, you know, making my shows, like, five minutes and that.

But I. The cool thing about making my show, I kind of learning a whole process. Right. And then I. But I recommend people really find what you interest and then make that 32nd grade.

And then a lot of time when studio, like Pixel, other studio, they don’t want to watch, like, four or five minutes demo real. Yeah. They know 10 seconds, they can tell you, but ten second of demo reel can tell a lot.

So. So focus on that. Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. That’s great advice. Yeah.

And, and drill down on, like, if you want to get into Pixar, doing lighting, then just focus on the best lighting you could possibly do. And that’s what they should see. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Because that gets you in the door.

Then you. Once you’re in, then you can start to explore options, what’s going to get you in there. Yeah.

Yeah, totally, totally. Yeah. Well, I have one last question, and that what we just talked about is one thing, but.

And so maybe you could say something in addition to that. But ultimately, I like to, I like to get all the guests to end on what is some of the most important advice that you could give someone listening to this, whether they be a student trying to get into Pixar or whether it’s someone who’s a lawyer or someone who is a mom listening to this, you know, what’s based on your experiences at Pixar and elsewhere? What’s some piece of advice that you would have liked to hear in the past that you find
is very important? Be really curious. I think this.

They really be curious about. I think I always like to think I am second place. I never want to be.

I never, never, ever want to be like a first place. Because when you have first place, you think I’m the best. In your second place, you go is like, hide someone to look forward to, you know, like, you know, okay.

Oh, he’s. He or she’s better than me. What.

What they did was better than me. I think I always like to put myself in that position, the second or third place, and I never want to think of myself is there like, I think. I think I like to keep myself always in that mindset.

You know, you have to have that mindset to kind of keep you going. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, that’s.

That’s fantastic. It’s growth about growth. And it speaks back to what you were talking about earlier, which is you enjoy the journey of making the film more than even watching the films.

The end. You know, that product. Yeah.

And it makes sense. It’s funny that we about it. When you ask me what feel I like, I can tell you more what.

What be in behind the scene. I like more than what feel because I was like, I just can’t find. Yeah, I just don’t have, like, really strong opinion about.

Oh, you know what? I recently watched Koda on Apple. Apple TV. That’s a great movie.

Yeah. Koda. Okay.

Oda on Apple. Apple TV. Yeah, it’s really good.

Is that independent film oh, really? It’s a really good movie. Little, like, low budget film. Great movie.

Yeah, Apple is putting out great stuff. I mean, I love what Apple’s putting out. Severance is a great show.

Silo is a great show. There’s another one we just watched, but, yeah, they’re putting out good stuff. But I wanted to ask, since you said it was easier to tell what your favorite behind the scenes is.

What’s your favorite behind the scenes that you’ve watched a lot of recently? I watched some of the Indiana Jones, and I like those practical visual effects. Oh, yeah. Nowadays, you’re making a lot of visual computer cg, but a lot of old time.

Yesterday, I was watching how a low budget production company made this. I think they produced, like, ten minutes or short with, like, a practical prop with, like, basic green screen, and then make, like, World War Two film with, like, some practical thing, some, like, youtuber putting something. And then, and then I like, also, I, like, watch how a building got made.

Like, you know, what’s the history behind that architecture and why they built it that way? And then a lot of, you know, Disney. Disney, uh, writes imagineer behind the same stuff. It’s pretty cool.

Yeah. Just like, how things got made. Oh, I just always got, like, fascinating, like, oh, it’s interesting.

Yeah, it’s clear you love the process. Yeah. You’re fascinated and drawn to the process of how things are made.

That’s where the meat is. That’s where all the fun is, too, is how do we build this thing? You know, it’s cool to look at at the end, but, you know, I can’t imagine. You know, it’s kind of like music.

I’ve been a musician, and, you know, we. We perform a song that we wrote, and people hear that three and a half minutes or whatever it is, but they don’t know all of the effort and the different variations and what, it took all the wrong notes to get to that song. And that’s.

That’s actually what’s fun, because then when you’re performing it, you’re kind of harnessing all of that different experiences to that one song, you know? And, yeah, I bet, you know, when the Pixar team sees the film, you know, in 2026, when you see the film that you can’t talk about, you are. You’re all watching it. And when you’re seeing something, you’re thinking about the process of, oh, man, that environment.

It was so hard to get the fluid dynamics right in the sea or the lighting right on that walkie talkie or whatever it is. Yeah. That’s why we.

We saw. We saw huge, huge party at the indian. Are those fun? Yeah, they are.

They’re a big party. Like, every movie will be finished. Yeah.

I’ve been to a Pixar party or two in Siggraph, and they don’t. Oh, they don’t kid around. Those are.

Those are good parties. Oh, I. Yeah, I don’t remember. We have the siggraph.

Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, we have rap party.

You know, we just. Yeah. Usually would rent, like, a big venue.

People sit there, watch movie. Then after that, we have party till, like, two or three in the morning, usually good time. Oh, I’m sure.

I can’t imagine. Well, I feel like this whole conversation has been a party. I mean, I can’t tell you.

I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time, and I can’t tell you how much it means to me that you took the time. I know you’re so busy. You have your family, you’re working on huge film.

I wanted to tell you again how much this postcard that you sent me in 2009 means to me. I’ll never forget it. Now I have this episode to cherish and continue to inspire me.

And I know that I’m not alone. I know that Zeb is inspired by you. I know that there’s a lot of people out there who don’t know who you are now.

Listen to this, and we’ll be inspired. And so I just want to thank you for being who you are and doing awesome work, and I look forward to seeing you soon, and maybe we can collaborate in the future. So I just.

I appreciate you a lot, Frank. Thank you, Josh. Yeah.

You’re so kind.

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